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Post by ebonyviper on Apr 1, 2007 10:52:11 GMT -5
Personally, I don't think the Cars World timeline is related to the Human World timeline. These sentient vehicles may have had a longer timeline that dates back to prehistoric times and goes up to modern times. They would've had the same type of history as we did, only in the way that they see it.
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Post by Evangeline on Apr 1, 2007 12:33:28 GMT -5
I would concur with that. I can't visualize them springing out of nothing. Maybe they started out as primitive "Tin Lizzie" types or rudimentary steamers and evolved from there.
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Post by ebonyviper on Apr 1, 2007 14:00:28 GMT -5
Yes, and it took longer than the history of automobiles had taken in the human world. I see it as more of a gradual evolution of automobiles which took thousands upon thousands of years, starting from the "Tin Lizzie" types to the more modern types that are around today.
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Post by Tracker89 on Apr 1, 2007 14:38:37 GMT -5
The "40 years ago" flashback seems to indicate that Carsverse vehicles evolve at the same rate as real-world ones...not to mention that if automobile history was stretched over thousands of years, then most of Cars' cast wouldn't exist since a lot of them are older models.
But they must have somehow existed for that long, otherwise their calendar wouldn't go up to 2006...maybe they were steam-powered before the 20th century, but even steam technology has only existed for around 300 or 400 years. Another theory is that they've existed as primitive automobiles for thousands of years, but "something" in the late 19th century/early 20th caused their evolution to suddenly skyrocket.
BTW, sorry to nitpick, but it seems a lot of people think that the Model T(AKA "Tin Lizzie") was the first car. It wasn't. It wasn't even the first Ford.
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Post by Amethyst on Apr 1, 2007 16:20:12 GMT -5
BTW, sorry to nitpick, but it seems a lot of people think that the Model T(AKA "Tin Lizzie") was the first car. It wasn't. It wasn't even the first Ford. Ok so I got that question wrong on QI but yeah and that " any colour you want as long as its black " things wrong to. there was lots of colours for model T's. It would be fun if the carsverse cars had history like ours... ancient greek cars with spears ( oh yeah i drew 300/cars fanart... SPARTAAAA!), medieval knight cars dueling ferocious dragon cars to save princesses
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Post by ebonyviper on Apr 1, 2007 16:29:23 GMT -5
BTW, sorry to nitpick, but it seems a lot of people think that the Model T(AKA "Tin Lizzie") was the first car. It wasn't. It wasn't even the first Ford. Ok so I got that question wrong on QI but yeah and that " any colour you want as long as its black " things wrong to. there was lots of colours for model T's. It would be fun if the carsverse cars had history like ours... ancient greek cars with spears ( oh yeah i drew 300/cars fanart... SPARTAAAA!), medieval knight cars dueling ferocious dragon cars to save princesses I think that's what I've been trying to get at, not just the evolutionary history. The cars would go through time periods from prehistoric times to modern times, just like we did. And I do know that Tin Lizzies weren't the very first cars (they were in America). There was one in the 1500s which I sorta forgot the name of. ^^;;
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Post by Tracker89 on Apr 1, 2007 16:44:25 GMT -5
The first American car is the Oldsmobile Curved Dash, I think. Anyways, it's a bit difficult to tell what the first car is, since inventors have been slapping steam engines and primitive gas engines onto wagons since the 1700s...the first commercially-available modern car is generally accepted to be the Patent Motorwagen built by the Benz Company in 1885. upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/53/Benz_Patent_Motorwagen_1886_%28Replica%29.jpgA bit difficult to imagine that thing as a Cars character. XD BTW, I just got the mental image of a bunch of ancient 4x4s herding camel-cars in the desert.
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Post by ebonyviper on Apr 1, 2007 16:47:59 GMT -5
Where would its face go? I can't even imagine it as a Cars character.
And those would be VERY ancient 4x4s. And did you see the cave car in Pookydoc's sig?
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Post by Tracker89 on Apr 1, 2007 17:18:57 GMT -5
It could probably have one of those convertible canopies you sometimes see on really old cars. I can imagine where the eyes would go then, but not the mouth.
Yeah, I saw the cave car...interesting concept. Ancient 4x4s...I can sort of imagine them like Land Rover Series Is, except even more primitive.
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Post by Volksdragon on Apr 1, 2007 20:54:01 GMT -5
Well, the theory that 'Tin Lizzie Types' were some of the first cars in history in the carsverse thousands of years back contradicts with Lizzie's existance, unless she's thousands of years old.
The theories of ancient cars and what they looked like just befuddles me and I don't know how to do anything with it in my mind, so I'll just leave it at that.
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Post by Amethyst on Apr 2, 2007 3:00:46 GMT -5
Well, the theory that 'Tin Lizzie Types' were some of the first cars in history in the carsverse thousands of years back contradicts with Lizzie's existance, unless she's thousands of years old. Maybe her parents and grandparents etc only did the " horizontal shuffle" with other model Ts. That would make Lizzie all normal and stuff. Another thing about the Model T and the other old cars.... how would they evolve into a ferarri for example? and usually with evolution the creatures evolve to help survive e.g. those finches of the Galapagos ( sp? ) Islands, Their beaks changed to fit the food they ate. And for the historical time line thing... There was ovbiously a war in Vietnam since Sarge is a war veteran and theres a Jimi Hendrix car out there somewhere...." Respect the classics man! It's Hendrix!" For some reason, whilst trying to think up my own theory of evolution I thought of cloning and that scene in the pokemon movie where the clones slid out of the pods
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Post by Tracker89 on Apr 2, 2007 3:48:45 GMT -5
I personally go with my theory that two older cars would produce a newer model that is somehow related to their own...so two Model Ts mating would give birth to a '20s or '30s Ford(I'm not really good with cars made before the '50s).
Ferraris probably evolved from old racing Fiats, although where those came from is a question of its own.
To be honest, I think I'll take Volksdragon's approach and just forget about the whole thing. Pixar obviously didn't think this through as much as we did, because they didn't need to, and so the whole thing is bound to be riddled with logical holes.
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Post by pookydoc on Apr 2, 2007 5:54:44 GMT -5
i think tin lizzie could just be another "breed" you know..an ancient one..but a rare one..just like how the rest of the car brands and models are breeds..some are older then others... i don't think looks should really matter in my fanfci, heck even hudson hornets are a very old racing breed...as for lizzie..her breed is just as old if not younger? it's too hard to look at lizzie as being the "first" car or a thousand years old XD! she's just one of those unusual breeds to me..really no more ancient then any other car.. but that's just me.. XD except for me.primitive cars used to have hair LOL!
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Post by Volksdragon on Apr 6, 2007 0:25:15 GMT -5
Tracker, with your theory, what would happen when they get to a generation when there aren't any newer models than themselves in the 'make'? Like some of the older car brands in the 20's and 30's that don't exist anymore. (I'm not an expert in any of the 20's and 30's car brands save for Volkswagen) Would they just keep producing the same thing?
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Post by Tracker89 on Apr 6, 2007 4:25:42 GMT -5
Well, most of the time when a car make dies out, it's absorbed by another company, so in the Carsverse I'd figure that they'd start producing cars of the new make.
But when a make completely dies out...I honestly don't know. My theory isn't perfect either.
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