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Post by Evangeline on May 18, 2007 13:24:38 GMT -5
This area is for general troubleshooting, dispute resolution, and discussion of RP protocol and manners. Of late, these matters have become of increasing importance and their satisfactory management will continue to keep this a civil and pleasurable activity for everyone.
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Post by Tracker89 on May 18, 2007 13:50:19 GMT -5
The "compromise" that Kamui mentioned several times in the Track Time thread(and which I've used as my RP strategy since the beginning) warrants mentioning here"
The story needs enough planning that it has direction and doesn't degrade into a series of events which either conflict with each other or have nothing to do with each other.
At the same time, this isn't the military where everyone gathers around a map and plans every single little move, and any creativity or divergence from the plan makes everything collapse.
And last, but not least: Have fun. If you're not having fun, take a break away from the site and return later. We'd rather have slightly delayed posting instead of a repeat of today's earlier events.
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Post by ebonyviper on May 18, 2007 13:54:15 GMT -5
At least enough planning like saying "I want to do this with such-and-such character" and "I'd like to add this idea to the current plot" or "I'd like to add a new, separate plot which will eventually coincide with the current one". And then we can all go from there.
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Post by Kamui.EXE on May 18, 2007 14:03:03 GMT -5
As I was saying, rough ideas to give a sense of direction and leave the rest subject to reader interpretation. It shouldn't be where we have to plan out every single detail. That drains the fun outta it.
Now as far as Elizar goes, Ebony, I really think you should say something to her. She's NOT in a great mood right now.
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Post by ebonyviper on May 18, 2007 14:32:05 GMT -5
I did not know about the Egill/Jolsten plot until now and there was no way I could've known about it then. The idea was never posted in the OOC thread before, meaning that I did not have anything to work with. It is not my fault because all I did was point out that there needs to be some kind of plan with the characters and plot and she misinterpreted my message as something else and stormed off in a huff without explaining why.
And if she had a problem with me, which I also didn't know about, why couldn't she have just told me. I sure as heck aren't a mind-reader when it comes to these things.
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Post by Kamui.EXE on May 18, 2007 14:52:38 GMT -5
*Facepalm* She said that she didn't like how you were treating her. She was under the very strong impression that you hated her guts. She has very little confidence here. Weither or not that it was your intention, she DOES have that impression. It doesn't matter if you think you're right at this point in time, Elizar does need to be spoken to. It's like when you're driving a car and you were going to go through on a green light and everything looks okay until you have some guy speeding through on a red. If you stop, he won't run in to you. If you keep on going, he will. It doesn't matter if you think you're right to go on a green, you have to stop for the guy going on a red. Sometimes by doing what you think is right is the sure way of getting yourself killed. I'm not saying Elizar is entirely wrong either (Or wrong at all). You DO give off impressions like that from time to time in all honesty. That's why I'm saying YOU have to step up to the plate and talk to her. I can't do that for you, Ebony. It has to be you because there's no other right person for the job.
And as far as the Egill plot, she hinted at it a lot. I was able to pick up on all of them. Most of the hints showed up in Jolsten's dialogue with Kamui whenever he spoke to her. But it was hinted at.
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Post by ebonyviper on May 18, 2007 15:46:39 GMT -5
WTF!? She thinks I hate her because of the way I treated her? I don't know where she would get that idea, but I wanted to point out something to correct a mistake and to try to give a little bit of RPing advice. And what did she do? Got angry at me and stormed off. Without an explanation whatsoever. And you think I'm the immature one for sticking with what I think a proper RP should be? People have been blaming their actions on others for a long time, and on HH, I seem to have become the scapegoat for someone else's little temper tantrum lately, just because they think that I might've said something to the effect that I didn't like their ideas, because that's what I'm beginning to sense here.
As for the Egill/Jolsten plot, I couldn't get any of the hints and the only way to make me get them was to slam me in the face with them, give me a bloody nose and then maybe I would've gotten the hint.
I'm not going to argue this point any further because it's not going to help any and I'll be blamed for something that I didn't do.
And all this blame does feel like I've been slammed in the face and given a bloody nose for absolutely no damn reason!
This argument is moot.
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Post by Evangeline on May 18, 2007 16:44:36 GMT -5
Hmmm... Giving advice on an RP is a matter that requires tact and diplomacy. The "I don't like this..." approach makes it seem way too personal, IMO. I would suggest a different tack... "When you did such and such, I was thrown off-kilter and didn't know how I was going to deal with this." Things are getting all too blunt around here, and throwing sand into the gears of a system that is never certain at the best of times. Think about what the other person has said, and take a minute to read out your own response and make sure that it will educate, not escalate.
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Post by ebonyviper on May 18, 2007 16:56:07 GMT -5
Yeah, I guess I did overreact a little bit too much on this matter. I have problems with that and I guess I need to be given a little bit of advice myself.
I can be such a hardhead sometimes. I'm just trying to figure out what I can do about Elizar and I'm not sure of talking would help. I have a hard time trying to understand someone else's problems and I don't really like it when somebody hates me and blames me for something that they apparently think I did to them.
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Post by Tracker89 on May 19, 2007 2:19:01 GMT -5
No one likes it when they're blamed for something they didn't do or didn't intend to do. Just contact her, and politely let her know that you're sorry for making her feel that way and that you never meant for your point to come out as a personal attack. Tell her that she's welcome to come back to HH whenever she feels like it.
It's up to her whether she'll accept your apology or not, but it's better to have at least tried than to forever sit around wondering what you could have done.
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Post by Kamui.EXE on May 19, 2007 22:57:50 GMT -5
No one likes it when they're blamed for something they didn't do or didn't intend to do. Just contact her, and politely let her know that you're sorry for making her feel that way and that you never meant for your point to come out as a personal attack. Tell her that she's welcome to come back to HH whenever she feels like it. It's up to her whether she'll accept your apology or not, but it's better to have at least tried than to forever sit around wondering what you could have done. Whoa.... Tracker beat me to the punch there! XD But yeah.... all you just need to do is appologize to her and let her feel welcome. The thing about the internet is that it has no voice. The voice that we do hear is the one inside our minds as we read all the text we see infront of us. So what that means is that anything we do say can be interpreted many different ways and can easily be misleading to someone. That's why we must take a little care in what is being said online. But anyways, I completely agree with Tracker here, Ebony.
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Post by ebonyviper on May 19, 2007 23:14:01 GMT -5
I looked at her journal entry on DA and saw that she wasn't looking for an apology from me, so why should I bother apologizing when there's nothing to apologize for. She called me a drama queen for my perceived behavior, yeah, and it took onle ONE look at my post and not bothering to reread it to try to understand what it actually meant. But, you know, if that's the way she feels about me than I don't see any reason to convince her otherwise.
So if she says she's going to move on than I'm moving on as well. There's no sense in beating a dead horse.
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Post by Kamui.EXE on May 19, 2007 23:26:44 GMT -5
Well.... moving on - fine. But if it were me, I wouldn't go down without a fight. I'd at least have given it the old college try before throwing in the towel. Who knows! It could make a difference. What have you got to lose anyways?
Besides, I already said the Internet is fickle for misinterpretation. And I can say, I'm also precieveing similar things about you. There's a certain way you carry yourself online that can put people off in that direction. For instance, there are some stuff that you say or do that if I were a cat, the fur would be standing up on my back a bit. About the only times I get those feelings is that I sense/hear something that sets me on edge. It's a feeling that I can't help OR control either.
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Post by Evangeline on May 19, 2007 23:38:08 GMT -5
Again, the "read it several times over and sound it off before you let it go" rule applies in this case. If you have doubts, ask someone else to double-check it if they're handy. Or just go off and do something else for a few minutes. If you're stressing out over this and liable to say something you'll regret later, learn to recognize this, stay aware of it, and get away from the damn computer for a while. No one will think ill of you for stepping away and taking a breather.
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Post by Evangeline on Jun 12, 2007 15:04:48 GMT -5
OK, this has to do with the Doc and Raine thing in the SA thread. I'm not chickening out or flaking out, it's just that there's only so many things I can do with Doc, and if I try to take him out of the zone generally established by canon, I have severe difficulties keeping him IC. And I can't really play him from another's interpretation. It's just not something I can do.
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